The Perils Of Companionship

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Here are some things: 

Farewell, Amy and Rory. You were cute and ginger and stubborn and I liked you a lot. Go along, Ponds.

COMMENTERS: How do you feel about the Pond’s exit? Spoilers are fine. It’s been a couple of weeks, right?

DON’T READ THE COMMENTS OF YOU DON’T WANT SPOILERS!!! 

 

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  1. I am going to miss Amy, but not as much as Rory. Best companion since Sarah Jane Smith!

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    • Come on, Romana was awesome! So was Ace!

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      • Dunno about Ace, never really liked her but Romana is awesome! :)

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      • Don't forget Leela!

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  2. It made me happy that the Ponds are together in the past. But the "Whovian Science" has so many holes in it, it angers me Moffat would let it slip by.

    Case in point: Ponds get trapped in 1940s New York. Doctor can't visit them because of the giant paradox created by Rory NOT being put in the hotel to die. OK.

    But River Song can go back? Why can't she hold the Doctors hand so he can go too? TARDIS can't go to this specific point in time. We know how old Rory and Amy get from the grave, so…just go to New York (or hell, New Jersey…) 20 years later.

    Secondly, now I know Rory's Dad. who is awesome. And now that awesome trowel wielding man will be sad. And that makes me sad.

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    • My first thought was, "Poor Brian." After the last few episodes with him it seemed kinda callous that they would just focus on the Doctor's feelings and ignore poor, heartbroken Brian.

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      • LOL! I was typing up pretty much the same thing at the same time as you. I was very disappointed.

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        • Me, too. And after he begged the Doctor to be sure to bring them back safe, too.

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          • When the angels get people they vanish out of mind

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    • Talking about holes… is anyone else bothered by the fact that there were so many angels still moving after their hands were down and facing each other?

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      • I had this same thought. They could have easily protected themselves by ducking any time they were getting swarmed in a hallway from both sides. They seem to have chosen to ignore that mechanic even though it worked wonders for the 10th Doctor.

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        • Exactly. That's how the 10th Doctor guided Sally Sparrow to defeat the Angels &I get his TARDIS back the 1sthouse time around!

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      • totally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        And to think NO-ONE was watching the Statue of Liberty Angel "sneak" through town.

        The farm concept was good, the rest of it and the execution, utterly abysmal.

        I'm hoping to see more Doctor Who one day, if they ever run a series.
        But as much as Gillian is way cut and Rory brilliantly played/sold – It will nice to see the end of "The Amy Pond Show". The writers need to watch some old shows, right back to early days, get out from under Davies and Moffats "Repeated Memes"; watch how the old writers built stories around the Doctor and around a central theme …….. The current writers are too programmed by modern schooling and are churning out the same character caricatures : the Dr Who has basically become a 40minute long 3-4 panel strip. With a few plot lines to string them together. (with the exception of a few random filler episodes).
        The sign of failure in the writing team is that they're trying to crowdsource ideas from facebook, running polls and competition to try and get "product" to "sell". Instead of giving the feeling the -people- in the story are in a universe that moves along as well. A classic is the Tom Baker approach, that often at first contact it was always "Who are you, and what are you doing, where are you going". Try asking that about any of the world that the modern Doctor Amy is in. Even Joel's 3-4panel captures a world around them, rather than a straight "Doctor sitcom"

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        • Quay Street is on the Waterfront less than a mile from the Statue of Liberty, I assume she just goes for a dip

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    • Actually, the Doctor can rescue the Ponds in so many ways that avoid a Paradox it's scary. Yes the marker says Rory and Amy are buried there. But did anyone scan the ground or dig it up? Hmmmm?
      So way one around the paradox is you pop in, arrange for a marker to be placed in the cemetery, pop back, pick them up .. no paradox.
      Another way would be to create a couple of Gangers of them. He knows of the tech, he could get some goo and platforms, pop back, make copies, being so smart he tosses in some programming to the copies so they want to stay in the past, use the Tardis to lock them into Huminoid form .. wallah, two humans who eventually die, while the others go back to their lives.
      I think we came up with seven different ways around any paradox, based on the lack of actual evidence they are buried in those spots.

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      • I think one of the biggest issues with Doctor Who that a lot of writers seem to be unable to get is – "What are the limits of his abilities?" So far I've not seen a lot of said limits, and yet the writers never take advantage of that particular fact.

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  3. Lame. "Oh, well, because of the time distortion, we can never take the TARDIS into New York during that time period again." But the Angel can still move people back into that time period? And if you can't land the TARDIS in NYC during that era, why not just land in New Jersey in that era and take the ferry? Also, how does River get the book she hasn't written yet to Amy so she can add the afterward and publish it so the Doctor can read Amy's goodbye? Very poorly written. I expect much more.

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    • The problem with your New Jersey idea is that you'd have to actually go to New Jersey. I'm actually fairly certain a comic has been made about how ludicrous and stupid of an idea this really is. Actually I just googled it and here it is: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbahgbDwU41rco9

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      • LOL! I live in New Jersey!

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        • I feel so bad for you.

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      • I think the Doctor must have tried this, and landing in New Jersey tore time and space apart leaving an incredible mess. Which clearly explains New Jersey.

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  4. I felt like they screwed up the Weeping Angels and the Statue of Liberty … stuff was weird, but the actual Pond departure was essentially what I was looking for. They've killed off those two so many times that if they killed them off again to get them off the show it would seem… false. When I found out the Angels were going to be their last monster I had a feeling they'd be sent back in time somewhere the Doctor couldn't follow but they'd still be together.

    … So the real question is can the Doctor NEVER come to see them? Like… a year later? What about into their 40s? He can NEVER come visit them in New York?

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    • I'm not so sure that it's a _can't_ as much as it is a _won't_ … the whole set up for the few episodes prior is the difference in their "home life" and their "Doctor life" – and the Doctor knows how hard on some people being his companion is. I mean, they start the season all broke up, in no small part because of the Doctor's indirect meddling in their lives. So when he sees yet again that Amy is forced to pick between him and Rory _again_… he just lets her go.

      Anyway, Doctor Who makes and destroys temporal/storytelling rules as often as he blows up the universe…

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      • Plus, he's the Last Time Lord; how often would HE let the laws of time & space get in his way?

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  5. I thought the whole mess was an absolute cop out. Then again, I also hate the Weeping Angels with an absolute passion, especially how they become more powerful and unstoppable every time Moffatt uses them.

    I cannot WAIT for Moffatt to move on to other things and for someone else to take over the franchise.

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    • I was so excited when Moffat took over because his episodes were my favorites during Davies tenure, but boy does he need someone to keep him in check.

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      • 100% agree here. I ADORE the episodes that Moffat wrote under Davies, and some of Moffat's other stuff (such as Jekyll) is also mind-blowing. But these three seasons have gotten steadily worse, and even though I like the Ponds and the Angels, I am SOOOOO glad to finally see them go away!

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      • You mean like, a Companion?

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        • Jekyll is another BBC program. Really good too, cut way too early.

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    • I like the first angels episode, it had all the right elements. just enough scary and enough odd bits scattered about to give it mystery. Likewise in the angels mausleum/crashed spaceship episode (which also had the angel can see each other problem, and the angel-is-its reflection was overdone (like a ginsu knife advert)). But there was that whole "they had two heads…" moment, the mimickry, the time issue.

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  6. The emotional impact of the episode was dulled a bit, knowing this was the Last Charge of the Williamses. The Who Brain Trust was able to keep the appearance of Oswin in "Asylum" a secret… Could they not have been so damned vocal about the departure of Amy and Rory? (Yes, I know that we live in a spoilery spoiler of our spoilerish concoction with online wobble. I shouted out, "Who killed the Kennedys?" Spoiler alert: it was you and me.)

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  7. Statue of Liberty as a Weeping Angel hard to swallow. Impossible, even. Rose was never to see the Doctor again and she came back. If they feel like it, they will have the Ponds on again.

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    • But it explains how it moved without tons of pink goo…

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  8. Did the angels give them a pension to live on, and buy them groceries?

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    • Why would they need to?

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  9. I fail to see how the Angels are a threat, or even scary. They send you back in time… So Amy and Rory were doomed to.. live out their entire lives in peace and quiet. Oh, how horrible!

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    • Because they look freaking creepy man!

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    • I think, way back in Blink when they were first introduced, there were some references to Angel not being all that bad of a way to go, if you're not particularly attached to your future coming from the present. Sally Sparrow's friend, after all, lived a long, happy life with the husband she met in the '20's, and it's implied that Amy and Rory probably didn't have it too rough, lack of modern amenities notwithstanding.

      Their preferred method of attack aside, everything else about them just exudes creepiness, in my opinion. The looks, the whole "They only move when you're not looking" thing, the tendency to use their ability to control light like massive, massive trolls…

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      • And the fact that you just freaking disappear and probably no one will ever know what happened to you.

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  10. Basically, what I came away thinking was that Rory and Amy got a better deal than poor Donna. They were interesting companions but I won't really miss Amy that much.

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    • My exact words to my father after watching that episode: Well, at least they didn't get their memories wiped like Donna!

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  11. in the end they were together till the end (the other timey wimey end not the visual end) and that's the important thing

    that said, how is the statue of liberty not the least effective weeping angel ever?

    it should be quantum locked all of ever, or at least until the ape rage virus and the nukes wipe out all of humanity (though charlton heston still quantum locks it for a minute while cursing at it, haha old gun boy)

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  12. Somewhere, Steven Moffat is reading this comic and taking notes for Series 8.

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  13. Oh. Wow… it took me way too long to figure out the joke behind naming the cinder block "Cindy"…

    I can perfectly understand why the Doctor would let Amy and Rory live out their lives in peace, and I can understand their return to 1938 and deaths in 2012 being fixed points in time, but I, like apparently every other fan, fails to see why the Doctor couldn't drop by in 1945 or 1967 or 1983 or anything like that, just so long as they're back in time to be dead by 2012 rather than part of a universe-ending paradox in 2012.

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    • Probably because they might not be. Traveling with the Doctor tends to be kind of unpredictably dangerous, and if they slip up and one of them dies/gets lost somewhere other than 20th century New York, that would be very, very bad. Combined with the fact that they're apparently happy where and when they are (and were getting kind of burned out on the whole part-time companion thing anyway) it's just too much of a risk.

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    • Better question: They see Rory's tombstone, so now it has to be his tombstone… why don't that go back, pick him up, and then order a tombstone for an empty grave? Stable time loop!

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  14. It seemed to me that the Doctor couldn't go back and get them/visit them, because we knew from Amy's afterword that he hadn't. They never saw him again. Therefore, he already knows the ending, so, fixed point.

    I liked the episode; I thought it was beautiful. And yes, the Statue of Liberty was dumb, and impossible, but it was a cool visual.

    Though, to be completely honest, the highlight of the whole thing for me was River Song's magnificent cleavage. Damn, girl.

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    • YOWZA

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    • No, all the Doctor knew was that the book **said** that they never met again. The headstone **said** that Rory was buried under it. They both could have easily lied. Therefore, he knows nothing, so no fixed point (except that somebody at some point must go back and set these things up).

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  15. Meh, it was alright. SO many holes, and many others have pointed out.

    What I did enjoy were some of the character/relationship moments. I really enjoyed the interactions between the Doctor and River — the broken wrist scene really got me. And, with Amy and Rory, it was nice to see Amy's level of devotion here.

    Story-wise, this whole season's been fairly lack-lustre. To me, anyway.

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    • Moffat has jerked us around so much with Amy's and Rory's relationship, I just liked seeing her do something REAL to really show that she cares for him.

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  16. The more I read, the more I see from other people, it makes me realize this may have been the weakest companion farewell since the reboot. So many plotholes it'd take another whole episode to fix them. And a few missed opportunities as well. Really needed to be a two hour episode to pull it off right.

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  17. well personally I had started to dislike Amy in this season she appeared too savvy and clever not like she was in the other seasons.
    That being said I cried like a bitch
    Mainly over Rory
    WE LOVE YOU CENTURUIAN

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  18. So here is the thing. The doctor travels both backward and forward in time but he LIVES forward only. Therefore, he carries a net surplus of the negative time energy around. Since he has lived a very long time, this must be quite a large amount. Where does it go? Do the angels smell it on him like crazy on Loki? Does the TARDIS use it to be bigger on he inside?
    Other issues: The Doc could just park before the anomaly and live his way back into their lives and leave afterward, right? If they touch you to send you back in time, why didn't River get sent back, and why do they have sharp teeth? Couldn't she have busted the angels hand with a hammer.
    Postulated defense: smack their eyes with a hammer, if they cant see, maybe they cant unfreeze.

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  19. I'm surprised any die-hard Doctor Who fan hasn't nit-picked that you drew the wrong console room (9th/10th).
    Usually, anywhere else they'd be ballbusting about it. That shows how awesome your art and writing is, Joel. :)
    And, yeah, I wouldn't put it past ol' Moffy to be taking secret notes from this. lol.

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  20. PROS:
    – I liked that they brought River in for this one. And I really liked her performance this time around.
    – Speaking of, when she tells Doc that she's a professor now, and he gives her this look . . . heartbreaking and subtle, that was an excellent moment.
    – I liked that they returned the Angels to their original concept (time warp), rather than the "upgraded" versions in "The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone" (we break your neck and rip out your brain! Also, we can manifest from a TV screen or your eyeball).
    – I liked the introduction of the Giggling Cherubs. Creeeeepy!
    – I liked that Rory just casually shrugged off death, because "hey, that's what I DO." Time travel, meet monsters, be badass, get killed, just another day for Rory Williams. Literal graveyard humor!
    – I liked the general story. The overall scenario of the angels' hotel was cool, and Rory's solution was excellent.

    CONS:
    – The Statue of Liberty was obvious and stupid, and ultimately served NO purpose.
    – We knew they were leaving. We knew there were Weeping Angels. We knew they weren't going to "kill" Amy and Rory. Gee, I WONDER what's going to happen to them?? It's a MYSTERY! An absurdly predictable mystery.
    – Yeah, and no one bother to tell Brian, neh?
    – You know what I liked? The previous episode where the Ponds were actually considering leaving voluntarily, like Martha Jones did. They should have gone with that.
    – All in all, the whole sendoff just didn't feel . . . big enough. I would have liked to see Amy and Rory's finale be a two parter. This felt like a short, stand-alone little adventure, monster of the week, jokes and cleverness, watch us run, and oh, by the way, the Ponds are gone now, peace!
    – I wanted to see Rory kick some ass. Just saying.
    – God, can we get a team together to lay down the laws of time travel once and for all, and just STICK TO IT for a change?! Every time they make time travel central to the plot, they screw it up and do it differently! "Blink" tells us time is wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, and is thus variable and changeable. "The Sound of Drums" shows us that the TARDIS can be used to counteract the effects of a paradox, so why is the Doctor so worried about it? "The Waters of Mars" tells us there are fixed points in time that can't be changed, and then the Doctor goes and changes it anyway. "The Girl Who Waited" just throws all the rules out the window, and now two versions of a person from alternate timelines decades apart can just run around together, even be in the same room, with the help of a little technobabble and "time phase fields" or whatever. "The Impossible Astronaut" tells us once again, fixed points, can't be changed. Then "The Wedding of River Song" turns it all on its ear and tells us, hey, you can FAKE OUT REALITY, you don't actually have to die, you can just make everyone THINK you're dead, and that's good enough for THE LAWS OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS, they won't notice that you're still alive! No, the whole time-locked, can't-go-back-to-NYC BS is just that. Complete, utter BS.
    – For that matter, can we go back to having mid-season finale and season finale episodes that DON'T suck, please? I know I'm not the only one who thinks just about every cutoff ep since "Journey's End" has been a letdown, ranging from mild to massive. "The End of Time" was convoluted, "The Big Bang" was even moreso, "A good Man Goes to War" was awesome enough, but "Let's Kill Hitler" finished it off weakly, "The Wedding of River Song" was an ENORMOUS cop-out, and now . . . this. And the hell of it is, it was a GOOD episode, right until the end! Then . . . time technobabble, everyone cries, last page, the end. BLEH. A five year old could poke holes in that resolution.

    So, yeah, that's my review. Great episode, until it suddenly stopped being a great episode. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Here's hoping Oswin brings the series back in step.

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    • I was gonna have a long rant-ish thing.. but you pretty much covered all my CONS much more coherently

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    • You realise that all the cutoffs BEFORE that sucked too right? Every Davies one was a pathetic deus ex machina that even managed to ruin the amazing leadup from Drums of War with the spectacularly horrible Last of the Time Lords.

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      • Yeah, I'd forgotten about that whole "believe in the Doctor and he gets superpowers!!" bit. And while I agree that he had a penchant for deus ex machina, at least the ones in "The Parting of the Ways," "Doomsday," and "Journey's End" felt like they made SOME sense. I could at least watch those episodes without literally saying, out loud, "Wait, are you f@#$ing KIDDING ME??" That has NOT been the case with the 11th Doctor's finales.

        Which is a real shame, because I REALLY miss Tennant, I think Smith has been doing a great job and the premiers and regular season episodes have all been excellent (well, MOST have been anyway. Was NOT a fan of "The Girl Who Waited" but YMMV).

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  21. If you keep fussing about temporal/plot inconsistencies, then you'll never properly enjoy Dr Who (or any time-travelling story). It's not about the science, it's about the drama/fun/script/acting. You may or may not know this already, but time travel is fictional, dudes. Let it go already.

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    • Time travel isn't fictional! I do it every single day. I move into the future a second at a time – I've travelled here from the 1970's and hope to keep going for a good few decades more.

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    • Ah yes, the "dude, it's not REAL, get over it" argument. Spoken like a 15-year-old Twilight fan. And with a bonus scoop of "you may not REALIZE, but" condescension!

      Yeah, no kidding, of COURSE it's fictional. And any high-school level creative writing teacher will tell you that speculative fiction is dependent on suspension of disbelief. If your story doesn't convince the reader/player/viewer to temporarily shut off the portion of their brain that tells them "hey, WAAAAIT a minute, that makes no sense," then they won't enjoy your story, and your writing blows.

      And what's the easiest way to shatter suspension of disbelief? Sporadic rule breaking. Changing the rules on the fly. Contradict yourself in your world building. Hell, they're YOUR world rules, YOU WROTE THEM, you already know what they are, just STICK TO THEM. You wouldn't tolerate it in a contemporary setting (all the other cops can get suspended for abuse of authority, but this one wantonly killed five guys and doesn't face any penalties because the rules just don't apply to him), you wouldn't tolerate it in real life (just look at the end of that Packers/Seahawks game, and the resulting backlash), so why should we tolerate it in a sci-fi setting. And I'm not even talking about real world rules here! You've got a time machine? Fine. You tell me it's powered by a rare mineral? Great. You write a story about how hard it is to get that mineral? Awesome drama! You tell me three episodes later that it's really powered by rainbows and love? Uhm, WTF? We're not looking for strict adherence to Newton and Einstein here, but at LEAST try to be consistent to your OWN PLOT.

      Seriously, you're criticizing people "fussing about plot inconsistencies?" IT'S THE FRIGGIN' PLOT. That's the WHOLE POINT OF FICTION. The plot IS THE STORY. You can't have good drama without 1) compelling characters, and 2) A BELIEVABLE PLOT. Your fun script and acting are exactly two quarters (the others being "chemistry" and "characterization") of only HALF the equation of good fiction. The other half is . . . say it with me . . . PLOT!

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  22. The Moffat run has been so amazingly irritating. Why? Well…Full Disclosure: David Tennant is MY Doctor. That Said, Matt Smith, I like. A lot.

    However, Moffat has pretty much consistently generated the most frustrating companions I have ever seen. Amy is entirely hit and miss. Though I’ll be honest, I actually like her a lot when anyone BUT Moffat writes the script. When he does, however, she comes across as an aggravating know it all drama queen. River Song seems to immediately hijack the entire show whenever she appears.

    Rory is the Exception that proves the Rule.

    And I’m dreading the appearance of Oswin. The buzz surrounding her is not promising. Do we NEED another genius motormouth to compete with the Doctor. We need a ‘compare and contrast’ companion. IMHO, that was why Rory worked so wonderfully. He didn’t try to keep up. He admitted when he was lost, or scared, but worked through his problems with unshakeable devotion to the woman he loved, and a quiet, steady competence.

    Holmes needs a Watson, not another Holmes, and I’m really worried the next companion is going to put me off of Doctor Who for good.

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    • As far as I am aware, there is no guarantee that the new companion _is_ Oswin. Merely the same actress. It could be one of her ancestors.

      "Unless this is all a big setup to have a fully robotic, furious Dalek as the Doctor's next assistant, because I'd be fully behind that decision. Especially if it kept trying to kill Matt Smith in increasingly complicated ways. Road Runner in space. Who wouldn't love that?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradio

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  23. Was anyone else screaming "RORY YOU IDIOT!" when he saw his own grave and thought it was someone else?

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  24. Frankly I found the angels terrifying when they first appeared in Blink. But each subsequent episode they've appeared in has made me less and less afraid. Oddly enough, though, I can still go back and watch Blink and relive the old terror.

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    • That angel @the the ending was a dick, though. I guess the Doctor will have a new nemesis soon?

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  25. I absolutely love the the way let the Ponds go. My feels were in full on hyper drive that nigt. I know everyone keeps harping on how the Doctor can't go back, and revisit the ponds, but even if he could we all know he wouldn't. You can tell since the beginning of this season that he has been preparing himself slowly to let them go, and I think that he feels their lives will be better off this way if he just leaves them alone. That is what got me the most, thinking that the Doctor probably wants so bad to find a way to visit them. However he won't do it because he has already messed up their lives so much that they deserve a nice peaceful life.

    On a side note I absolutely love the part with River where she mentioned she was a professor now, and he had that desparing look on his face.

    All in all I think Moffat did well with their depature. I feel that them just leaving would be too much of a cop-out, and killing them off would have caused to much trouble with the fandom. I for one though am seriously going to miss the Centurian and the Girl who waited.

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  26. This being said, I absolutely fell in love with Oswin in the first episode, and making me fall for her made it easier for me to loose the Ponds. With Rose, we just lost her…without knowing what was coming next.

    I liked how Moffat changed the Doctor. He is much more vulnerable than before. Usually they don't get this vulnerable until they are going to regenerate and we get a new actor.

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    • I must say I dislike how the Doctor is going. He's the prez emeritus of the timelords, he watched his whole race destroyed, he tours planets and time, he's got massive knowledge in science and medicine way way beyond any human comprehension. And He's An Alien! I don't like his "second fiddle" humanisation and need to romantically fall for every companion.

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  27. I don't mind the Ponds leaving. I just wish that the Doctor could still visit them.

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  28. so they should both have died recently, at or around the same time that they were sent back in time? did they both have exactly the same lifespan then? if rory's lifespan was ten years less than amy's he could have been sent back to the 30s and amy back to the 20s. she'd have to hang around being a flapper for ten years waiting for him to show up all young looking.

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    • I thought about this a bit, but all we know was their ages at death and that their gravestones were still standing. I dont know anything about that part of England, but we could assume they went back to any time before the present since the inception of that graveyard, lived for another 50ish years and died. They COULD have gone back to 1830 for all we know. I would also assume that they arrived at the same place and same point in time. Like that particular Angel's way-back machine was set to a certain date and location and they were zapped so close together that they arrived within moments of each other.

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    • or maybe they both were sent back to exactly same time in past, but after a long and happy life together Rory died and then Amy lived as a widow few more years….
      Just because they're both on same tombstone, doesn't necessary mean they died same day. Ashes of the 2nd person (and their name/dates/blah blah) can be added to an existing grave at later dates…

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  29. It was a fine exit for all for 10 seconds…when they jumped off the ledge
    Then Moffat, being .. well.. Moffat, pulled all the tension outta that by writing up world's quickest retcon in next scene -… oh yeah, that big dramatic sacrifice wasn't for realz reals, gotcha! *facepalm*

    Except this exit 2 of 3 (3rd being the final Angel zaps off) even further undermined the sheer perfection that could have been the 1st exit one episode prior. When Amy and Rory are more or less saying "Doctor, its been fun, but we have settled down and are having real life now". Seriously, I can't be the only one that wanted THAT SCENE to be the real leaving of them!

    Also, how are Angel's double-dipping in their feeding? "Blink" established that a human has "potential life energy" (aka, that ONE LIFETIME) so once they're zapped backwards in time, the energy remains in the present upon which the Angel feasts. .. so… the human that just woke up in 1920 has no more built-up potential energy upon their person, so whats the point of zapping them back further? The potential life has already been consumed and gone! (aka, Moffat's "timey whimy" became a bad writing crutch)

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  30. Good riddance to bad companions. I only wish Moffat joined them. There were a bunch of neat Amy & Rory moments, but overall the Moffat seasons have completely failed for me. For the exact same reason that this episode did – it is like a prime demonstration of all that's good and bad with Moffat's stuff.

    Good: neat moments, some a bit scary, some a bit poignant, characters that are OK. Bad: idiotic story, plot holes you could fly the Gallifrey through, tension all falls apart once you think of it for a few seconds, lots of sound & fury signifying nothing.

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    • "the Gallifrey"?

      You do realize that Gallifrey is a planet, right?

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      • Yup. And I also realize that Gallifrey was in the sky over Earth in the last (and rather … suboptimal) RTD episode "The End of Time". Meaning the planet somehow got to Earth. I think the problems with that concept parallel nicely with the plot holes in this episode.

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  31. Amy, Rose and Martha were sooo bad and I'm glad they're gone, they thought they were so important but they were nothig to the doctor, he's had better and more interesting companions since before they were born, they had no significance to him whatsoever and Amy did nothing to deserve someone as great as Rory

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  32. I'm just getting tired of everything in Dr Who being so so tragic. When did the Doctor become a character in a Smiths song?

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  33. i had an epiphany today

    james bond is a time lord

    he's british, he lives forever, he travels a lot, he has many "companions", he has lots of incredibly convenient yet very difficult to explain gadgets, he has an unorthodox vehicle (though it's ability to time travel seems somewhat limited, being only capable of going foward), he saves the world all the time, and every 10 years or so he goes through an incredibly dangerous situation that would leave any normal person dead, however this is the perfect time for him to radically change appearance, even though he still has the same name, and job, and tendencies

    also, as he has a penchant for tuxedos, and as a result bowties

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    • Actually, even though this is veering a bit off topic, as good as that theory is, I prefer the theory I found on Cracked Dot Com: Namely, There is no James Bond.

      The name James Bond, like 007, is a code designation, and it's been passed on to a succession of british spies when the previous 'James Bond' Retires, or is killed.

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      • i've also seen this theory, and while it is more realistic, i prefer my newfound fantasy timelord theory

        I mean really if you had to choose between a reality based theory and a fantasy timelord based theory, which one would you go with?

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      • …I thought that was canon.

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  34. I'll Explain later

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  35. When did josh get married? why wasn't that in a comic? (He posted on twitter that his husband got him tickets to the zelda concert.)

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  36. I feel it is worth pointing out that the Doctor wouldn't have called it Cindy. In UK land they are called "breeze blocks", rather than "cinder blocks"..

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    • are you really trying to bring logic into this?

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    • I can assure you, it was not worth pointing that out.

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  37. I thought it was a good way to end their run, but I did feel sorry for the poor Doctor. At least he has River Song to get him through those long, lonely nights.

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